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Three Pillars of Batman (Transcript)

Jason Snell with Tony Sindelar, Shannon Sudderth, Chip Sudderth, Monty Ashley and David J. Loehr

Three Pillars Of Batman

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Tim Burton's Batman movies.

Transcript

[0:00] Music.

[0:12] Welcome back everybody to be comfortable in your house and still be so Batman won the tournament that we were in here that was stupid.
And we don't,
about Batman and we are we are doing one tonight we are we are embarking on a journey through films starring the Batman and we're starting with.

[0:33] Tim Burton directed Batman films 1989 Batman and 1992 Batman Returns.
To discuss these films with me I have a fine panel of people who watch the movies and that we'll talk about it cuz that's what the show is Will Begin by introducing them Shannon Southern this here,
hi Shannon welcome back I left the keys to the jail or police superhero spectacular Batman,
new new Auntie Ashley hello brother I'm sorry I thought I didn't prepare I watch the Ben Affleck Daredevil,
and Tony sindelar Illinois Chamber Batman.
We are all Batman DC Comics is it I don't think so.
Alright so here's the story with that man they did the Adam West Batman in the sixties that was fun then the property kind of,
just lay there for awhile Superman they start making Superman films in the late seventies those two successful and they decided we should go back into Batman again and it took until 1989 when finally.
Batman hit the big screen again during Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne and Batman Jack Nicholson as the Joker directed by Tim Burton.
This it was for those who did not live through it I can just say it was a big deal like this was the my memory is that this was the first.

[2:07] Blake Martin movie as marketing campaign that I remember like literally the Batman logo was.

[2:16] Omnipresent you could not everything had Batman logos on it your milk at a Batman logo on it everything had Batman logos it was it was for those who didn't live through it it was,
a huge marketing push this is my I want to see the end of my freshman year in college and yeah so it was a big deal and,
I think it was an extremely successful film as well with a different you know a different kind of take that was very influential it led to,
a lot of the themes of it it kind of three played in Batman the Animated Series it's got an interesting kind of art deco style so anyway let's start by discussing.
Tim Burton's Batman somebody here did you did you all see Batman when it came out or,
I did you will watch it later yeah I saw I saw it when it came out but I was a really big Comics nerd at the time so I also went through the pre movie,
free publicity oh my God this is going to suck they can't Michael Keaton I remember that it isn't strong enough,
results of this it's remarkable that this movie was this is successful as it was I think a lot of it had to do with the,
overdrive marketing the Warriors did to try to convince people that know it wasn't going to suck you know I was the one in my group in high school cuz this came out right at the tail end of my senior year of high school,
I was the one who when they announced the casting was like it's going to be great.

[3:49] And everyone else is like no no come on Michael Keaton as Beetlejuice mr. mom and I like that.
And sure enough he's I mean he's still my favorite movie Batman I saw it opening night and a theater that was completely full,
and it was playing into auditoriums in that Multiplex and I know that because there was something wrong with their print and we had to sit there in that crowded theater for 30 minutes past the show time until it finally started,
and I still loved every second of it my friends and I spent months doing Jack Nicholson's little card thing we would the card around the deck,
everything in the movie was cool to us and it's it's one of the few that I ever saw it twice in the theater in the same weekend my college roommates and I we were not cool people.

[4:36] We memorized the lyrics to Batdance that's how I feel anyway,
Batman I was definitely too young for parts or both of these movies but definitely for this one I think I was aware of this coming I was,
a child I was aware of the like the marketing push of it but I think the first time I saw it was on a VHS tape if you were drinking your milk your milk,
and speaking of that milk I should say the Batman cereal that came out in 89 was really good Batman Returns cereal not as good,
funny we'll get there we'll get there Tim Burton personally make both of us let's talk about Batman 1989 Batman now I mentioned,
the style here is it's fun it is this weird Art Deco kind of style we said we'd seen this in a few movies up it's definitely,
I know I always think of Max Headroom is being a little bit like that although that's a little more techy of course the great Super Mario Brothers anyway but it is it's kind of a fun mix up of things that look old along with some things that look,
look up modern Anton Furst was the designer that won the Oscar for art Direction it whatever though it looks really,
beautiful in from the very very start where we see that this stuff we see if a family with it with the parents and the young kid.

[6:13] And it's very clearly playing on the origin of Batman it's kind of a fake-out it's okay because it's not it's actually the present day I Batman,
but they they can't get a cab so they decide to cut through a dark dark,
Ali dangerous alley because they're dumb yeah and then take them when I first saw this movie,
it was a Crowded House there were loads of people there who were not comic book fans they were there because of the marketing and all the stuff that opening scene when you see the,
I think one of those descriptions of Gotham City is it as low as though he'll burst from the ground and kept on going when you see that opening claustrophobic shot,
shot there were people in the audience who were clearly not regular Batman fancy just audibly gasp all my God this is horrific.
You know right the right then and there that art direction is just a coming at you and it's not Dayglo sixties pop art that's for sure who are you.

[7:14] I'm Batman. We did that ad infinitum outside everywhere.

[7:24] You're so you stopped.
Well some people went and got the job didn't do it anymore but never going up to a drive-thru.
I bet that want to say it was a McDonald's but it could have been at Taco Bell and I'm going to say can I help you how everyone in the car Batman.
Yeah he threatens I the one guy a lot but he but he says don't know I'll send it you can send a message my notes here are all about how this,
I think it's very definitely trying to reflect the New York City of this. This is a crumbling sleazy.
Metropolis except off and city it's not Metropolis to Gotham City but it is it is very much of that eighties sleazy garbage in New York that we're seeing in in Gotham it's gross.

[8:18] The hipsters have not come yet know it's gross but it's also got art deco.
And gargoyles everywhere is a cooler City that's gone to crap and Tommy Guns the police carry tommy guns I love how I love her.
Just anachronistic the whole thing is they're all in like weird leather jackets the.

[8:41] You don't need the word that comes to mind is Discount fetish wear.
Tony when you can't afford a leather catsuit you know what you do you just cut up some final and so it but that's another meeting anyway,
I learned a lot of these movies so so so we see Billy Dee Williams appears as Harvey Dent although he doesn't have very much to do in this movie he's just kind of present Jack Nicholson.
And Jerry Hall,
I have a have a scene Together Jack and Jack is is the henchman for the organized crime leader and Jerry Hall is his is his girl but they are stepping out on the side here,
and we got some lines including decent people shouldn't live here which is good this is Gotham City Welcome to it,
and what to leave for casting is Jack Palance can be Jack Nicholson's boss yeah you did somebody bigger than Jack Nicholson and Jack Nicholson is going to be playing this pretty big kind of.

[9:47] Remember my number one guy it's yeah Jack Palance is great.
Pearl Grissom Grissom Grissom Predators Dirty Little Secret who we need who is one of my least favorite things about this movie.
Cuz he's just kind of a fat slob,
who is like dubbed in I think yeah I couldn't tell if it was going I wasn't sure if somebody if he was a tiara in his own lines or somebody else was covering them but you had noticeably doesn't match up the way he's dub - estranged,
he's done as if he's communicating but the voice is so soft,
and Gravelly that there's no way that any any noise at that volume could have been understandable by any of the other characters in the scene and I just don't,
I never liked the character and I never liked the way he talked but it was only watching it back this time that I realized he just completely done and I don't even know why and it's kind of slightly Gravelly and anyway he's a crooked cop and and,
he's gross and his voice is super strange and end its Porkins yeah yeah.
Pork and that's so bizarre to me now that it was a weird dubbed again it might be him it might be somebody else but it is very strangely quiet and monthly I don't know.
Should you give someone else it took up all the oxygen in the room before he got anything interesting.
We meet a couple of the characters early on here too we we meet Knox the the reporter play Buy TVs Robert wuhl.

[11:21] Oh I love knocks because Robert was playing him like he's the star of the movie,
yes I know no one told it was a different movie he's like in a wacky wacky journalism movie that is not the movie he hits it is very friendly and halfway through the movie,
he just drops out late the following Scoops or something but like you said oh wait,
we got Batman sorry Robert know he's like come with any movie come with me I'm going to do some stuff in the movies like no,
yeah I remember him doing the late night Chat Show circuit around this time and he was at he was acting like it was this movie they are too that's terrible I remember on the comedy channel that he would do one of the going to commercial.
Bumpers and it was mostly him complaining that he got,
the great contract that said he got a cut of the toy rights but then he just got really gotta cut up his toy right and there were not a lot of Plucky reporter toys being sold.

[12:21] Hey I had I had the Plucky reporters journalist notebook and pen and the snap brim hat you gotta You Gotta Give a couple dollars to Robert wuhl,
that's okay you got all this money now it's finally and we also meet Kim Basinger as Vicki Vale who is introduced so you know they're trying to do the.
Some kind of a battery thing between Robert wall and the Kim Basinger and I can't decide whether it's gross or whether it's amusing because he's so bad at it I tend to plump for the latter.
That that he's that bad at it she's humoring him because she needed help I think he's the only one who's got the banter going on she's just,
humoring yeah but she she liked it I'll get something up later on when it 1 Point.
I'm sure he's like expressing concern or something and she puts both her hands on his face and get some quick little kiss you're cute you're cute,
You Can Tell She's a serious reporter because she wears glasses sometimes.

[13:23] You can even tell that they are again it is it is kind of a fun fun time but it's a little bit weird because it's it is like.
From another movie about Plucky reporters but it's really just to get us into this other story that were there were going to get with with Batman,
which is fine I actually made a note of this point to that.
Police rubber wolf performance reminds me a little bit of like Bill Murray in Ghostbusters it's that kind of eccentric and bizarre and there's that whole thing where where there in Bruce Wayne's,
the mansion and they're like wandering into the Hall of weapons like the museum room as being of the weaker people and things like that where it's just this strange look at that mirror you must be something I'd like,
again and again and again it's just going to genuinely enjoy him he's not putting a lot of energy out,
in a role that he has to know isn't that important.
Good for him I think he thinks it's that important I'm sorry and God bless enjoy,
I like know by heart but you probably will die like a turkey and it gets you into the movie and yeah and then he was discarded but he's kind of fun while he's around he Services function and Amazon,
yeah he doesn't I know he doesn't he gets a kiss on the cheek and said on his way in fact that that's that's a happy ending in Gotham,
what if it's not a picture it's not a pure origin movie it sort of the first appearance of Batman but we don't get the weed we don't get the let's go to Nanda parbat and have training site with his kind of stuff so In the Beginning Batman 2 mystery and knocks his the character that is sort of investigating the mystery and that.

[15:06] That's our Gateway Inn and then is this everything shifts over to Michael Keaton and there's nothing for him to do and good riddance,
veterans are living in the end around this part I'm not going to go Point by Point here but this is where we get to see Michael Keaton we get to see Michael Coffey,
as Alfred as well in some of these scenes and hear Michael Keaton so we talked about it I think I think this movie does a good job of getting us introduced to Bruce Wayne and and I think,
yeah you spend a few minutes with Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne and I feel like I buy into it is like LIC,
icy Michael Keaton's in this movie because I think he does I think he does a good job it's my favorite Bruce Wayne have any movie yes I like I like his version of like.
Weirdo eccentric Bruce Wayne put it there so many versions of Bruce Wayne as as the like the polished.
Millionaire Playboy who is smooth talking and I like this guy who's just like nope he's awkward and weird and spend a lot of time to sit by himself.
BeIN brought sandwiches by Alfred and doesn't really know how to talk to people I'm also he's apparently not a celebrity of Gotham not everybody knows what he looks like.
And he's just this weird guy who throws kind of benefit party things at his house and I like I like awkward but I did enjoy himself at the party like when he sneaks behind.
The reporters and they're going to his Museum he's watching them and he's genuinely amused I feel like this is the only Bruce Wayne for the movies I would actually watch a movie about.

[16:38] Brighton in retrospect.
Because you know I don't know how intentional was but it's it's almost like he's playing Bruce Wayne somewhere on the Spectrum right he's clearly a genius he is of course the world's greatest detective.
And of course this is a movie where we get to see that for once we get to know Bruce Wayne instead of just Batman or just as a cover for Batman and and I love that and I know you get the impression that he could fake.
Being,
cool and swap if he had to but that this is a little bit more like himself but at least in this part of the movie is a mild comic book geek high school college and with this movie,
the reason that I went was because they cast Michael Keaton.
And after that I really really loved it was really invested in and I was looking at the blowback of you know it can't be and I'm like yes it can,
you can trust me anybody can be hiding under that suit but you've got to have somebody with his kind of charm and wackiness and instability I mean that you're dealing with a young man who you know,
lost his parents were killed in front of his eyes at a very young age and his reaction to that.
Is to go and train himself to the upmost to.
To do something about it and not just do something about it but I'm going to dress up like a bat and scare these criminals you need a Michael Keaton to pull that character off,
Adam and I should be back to normal.

[18:13] Answer to the extent that you know a couple of movies later if you brought me they brought in this Val Kilmer guy to be Bruce Wayne in,
Pizza conventional hero compared to Michael Keaton who is just nuts.
He is let him know you got that you seen all that manic energy.
I feel like he can get so lost inside the batsuit.
But that's not when you need the actor to do the best job you need him to do the best job as Andrew Swain and keeping his mesmerizing.
Batman in the bat suit could almost be played by a starting out right if that's the way you got a lot of really funny acting.

[18:58] Freakeating when he's in the suit.

[19:00] And and occasionally has yet some of his Expressions come through the back of the mouth and says so much in fact there was a recent Batman movie that also involves Superman,
what would they call that movie I think it's called Batman, and also Superman and to briefly reference that movie I really liked Batman,
whenever it was just Ben Affleck not how you got into that I can see the CGI monster or something bye.
There was collecting as Bruce Wayne and I left the house we're going to get to a Batman versus Superman episode right there there it was 493 contractual obligation fulfilled,
the deities as they put up for the Justice League movie,
I really don't know I don't know,
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That's why I want to get some praise here this week it was great Michael God is great I do love I mean Tony mention Lake Alfred brings him,
sandwiches best like it is this,
this is a great moment where you know it's like you know it's just us in here in this old mansion and he he encourages bruising and Vicky to get together at several points and brings her to him in the Batcave at the end of the movie and it's just it's just so so delightful the whole time I think I think has there been great,
Alfred's in movies but I really love Michael Goss performances as Alfred he is just delightful and helpful and friendly and loving and you know and,
and probably exactly right I mean we kind of had I love the scene where Vicki and Bruce have their kind of their date,
and then Alfred color that starts with the the song ends of the table to Classic and then they go from that to like,
hanging out in the kitchen with Alfred Wright so nice I like that a lot,
that's that's because that's Bruce Wayne getting over himself for getting over his I think it's getting over his view of himself and like who he should be.

[22:49] And then just being like I said I like how you actually see him like pick up his plate and his wine glass and be like come on let's go and then cut to veteran this much warmer can a wood table light wood in there in like the kitchen or something with Alfred,
it's great and just before that that great line when Vicki says that you know I don't think this.
Machinist very much dislike you at all and Bruce s,
some of it is very much me know it's it's it's very Fearsome Foursome.

[23:22] This is not going to be considered a subtle movie by a long shot but there are but there are subtleties in Michael Keaton's performance.

[23:32] I agree I agree there's a lot of nice stuff doesn't stop with Michael Keaton and Michael Michael.

[23:38] The okay so yeah we should talk about the Jack Nicholson as Jack Napier and he becomes becomes the Joker settle half of it so it's not I mean I didn't like,
I'll get shot by Jack it interesting that the active chemical plant which I also just to,
II know I don't like that character before he gets shot he's like acting like a zombie he's just kind of moving very slowly and kind of going and it's I don't understand that carry I don't even know why that character is there it's really bad but but,
The Joker so Jack Napier who is revealed late in the movie,
in a coincidence is probably unnecessary is the person who shot Bruce Wayne's parents yeah I'll have words about that later we'll get there go around here hee-hee you know there's a shootout he gets hit by a Ricochet Batman tries to capture,
catch him but he drops into the chemicals and is,
is dead and will never see him again except of course he resurfaces with the the white face and is the is the Joker so they got,
my understanding is that they backed up a truck of money to Jack Nicholson's house,
and they said you can be in our movie will pay you a lot of money you can go to all the Laker games will make sure that we schedule around you and we limit the amount of time you have to spend on this movie but you know it was quite a coup to get the guy who is basically considered the best or one of the,
what two or three best actors on the planet to be in their little superhero movie when he got a Golden Globe nomination I even got top billing.

[25:15] Absolutely and that joker is a plumber all right I mean this is this is this is this is a role that won an Oscar for somebody else to write it it is a quite a roll to buy,
22 off of I-40 I don't have to shoot as long as you in your scenery going on really is what's happening it's quite a roll when Jack Nicholson puts his all into it and then some,
and this early in the movie He's also really really good as Jack Napier and that's it that's it.
The the Menace the the unhinged if that's true sort of in the background waiting to be released after he takes a bath.
You know he eat he is a plausible gangster villain and then then he just.
He he just cuts loose he gets behind the makeup and he just what's that what's that phrase you use a lot Jason turns into this kid he just admit to it.
Yo just got to go with it right yes he is he's a Jack Napier is operated on,
buy a German Doctor Who has a very bad set of tools it looks more like something you can get at Home Depot and then you can get a job I think those tools used to punch holes,
that was that was what Tim Burton was stocking up for Edward Scissorhands so it's bad but that's bad news for Jack Palance he's not going to make it because,
because I guess maybe you're his come back from the dead he knows that he was sent to the axis chemical plant as a setup,
because he was stepping out with the with his girl on Jerry Hall so a sugar bumps sugar bumps just.

[26:52] Putting it out there and so while yes so he kills her.
The Kills Jack Palance I had to Jack and he told me to because you have talent and says wait till they get a load of me but.

[27:03] Interesting decision by Jack Nicholson and interesting decision by Tim Burton to leave it in it and I'd say this is a representative of house,
far they let Nicholson go with this he doesn't just say wait till they get a load of me he then goes,
hahahahahahaha I may just leave it all in just letting you know for sure I'm insane but it's it's not even that he's saying wait till they get a load of me,
wait'll they get a load of me was it up with a sound and then another weird sound and then maniacal laugh and Tim Burton's like that which is going to keep all that in.
What role does the dance he does when he leaves one of the things that it's just like people blows my mind that that's that's been there a few times were just goofing around at the end of the scene they leave it in there at the time he tells his really loyal henchman.
Enable Palance imitation.
You are my number one guy and then the guy leaves and then she just said you're going to get off,
The Joker could just be goofing off let's leave it in it's great he is not concerned.
About what like there's a lot where he's just sitting room by himself and it's like nope he still go and he does not need an audience but when he has an idea Museum.
Okay you're doing.

[28:32] Let's see what else in there a Bruce Bruce lies to Vicki Vale after they've spent the night together I said she's gotta go out of town but Alfred basically gives,
give that away awkward yeah yeah that was so that was what you're supposed to let your butler know that you've got up.

[28:53] Yeah you should go on with it I suppose I'm thinking that this Alfred was not a former spy I think this is not used to Bruce,
Wayne as a woman as a Playboy right so much so he doesn't have the moves down it's like oh yes we are going out of town as soon as Bruce has a girlfriend girlfriend gets brought down to the.

[29:14] So you got a girl now they don't have any problem,
The Joker has a meeting of all the crime Lords in Gotham City have a little meeting little table,
King of the Exile of his vanity that he's got the flesh colored makeup plastered on top of his chalk white skin and that's when it hit that looks even more creepy,
that's one of my favorite things is that his skin is naturally white with a smile but sometimes he puts makeup on to have it look normal and then later on the movie Hills Batman,
I have taken off my makeup let's see if you can take off yours except he hasn't taken off his makeup he's putting more makeup on right now it's it's not it's not,
it's vanity it's his he knows nobody knows what he looks like yet anybody else wants to freak them out.

[30:06] As the makeup starts to crack and peel away the smile looks pretty freaked out about to me weird prosthetic it is weird.

[30:16] Details of who kills a guy with a joy buzzer,
you mentioned the the you are my number one guy and all that but I did enjoy Bob throughout this movie as his right-hand man he is a little bit Larry Darryl and Darryl but he's quite enjoyable as just loyal sidekick guy who keeps saying things his lines are all like yes sir that's it that's all,
I have watched him for years I saw him on WKRP in the first season.
And went well that's really weird guy and then he was also in a show called Best of the West from the makers of Taxi,
which is a western thing he played a henchman named frog and and that was a delightful it's Tracey Walter is the name of the actor,
Android when the Joker's gang shows up to a point guns at all those leaders that they already have embroidered jackets with like patches with the Joker's face,
it's like that's how you know they're good and has been grouped as if they've already like day one we've gotten pretty jackets ready to go like the movie he's a marketing the Heat,
the Joker's got all sorts of stuff what will see you in more stuff the Joker's got ready to go ready to play he is he's crafty people in both sense of the word,
just my type so let's see what else I did Jack Napier then attack serious gangsters Bruce Wayne is his stunned and shocked by this,
Batman gets all the headlines even though Napier is attacked all the gangsters he's very upset.
How did we get this town needs an enema that line up in here in this in this area again Jack Nicholson what can you say.

[31:52] Just yeah he's carrying the trailer,
if he carries the trailer right the he is the whole both of these movies have a lot of press conferences in them,
with a lot of press conferences and then a lot of on the steps of City Hall the one that I find the weirdest is that there is the mafia press conference that the Joker and his people.
That wouldn't that would confuse me a little bit but again,
I did not live in Gotham in 1989. Maybe that's his business as usual but like if I'm if I'm running the organized crime I would hold less press conferences that's what's up Maybe not maybe not maybe not mean,
just throwing that out there.
That's the one where nobody notices the extremely amateurish Minds around the place right,
8 guys you guys are older than me I'm just I'm assuming a lot about what 1990 and 1989 was like,
there weren't that many mines also what was the press conference is what I asked well let me tell you about it,
couple name Shields and Yarnell pair of mines and they were huge they had their own show they did have that 70s,
I'm suddenly feeling younger the point at which Vicki Vale suddenly is way more interested in using her newspaper's resources to look up information about her boyfriend.
Then to investigate Batman that she's supposed to be doing she seems to have a lot of free range from her previous highly successful photojournalism run and that.

[33:23] The island that she just came back from it we haven't actually talked a whole lot about Vicki Vale.
And I think there's a reason for that is I have to know you.
An amazing apartment yes I did one scene she is a Padawan braid yeah just one little braid on the side of her head going down over her shoulder.
But you might be dry by now I remember,
being rather irritated at one point watching the movie at some point it may not have been the first time but a subsequent watching because when they introduce her she's,
you don't seem to be very capable award-winning globe-trotting photojournalist I'm looking for the the heavy hard stories and so it's Robert walls character you know someone,
understandably you're going to chase Batman doesn't quite seem to fit and then about,
halfway through the movie or so all of a sudden there's apparently nothing left for Kim Basinger to do than scream or dangle from a ledge or cord or something or think and it's like,
and she was doing well she could have contributed the amount of her dialogue that is her screaming and reacting to something is like a lot,
well okay so I like the scene where,
she's on the rooftop and she immediately started taking pictures of Batman fighting in the alley right that's good news since like that that's the scene where I'm like okay she's doing her job and of course God uses to keep track to steal the film out of her,
bra butt.

[34:55] Cheap Trick feels like there's a cave and what happens then nobody knows it's on to the cape with the mystery that's how Batman does his magic trick,
anyways so that's good but then you're right other than that she's mostly a damsel I do think that when she,
so when Alfred brings her into the Batcave towards the end but that's a nice scene where she's being like supportive I find her,
her support for Bruce nice but again that's being supportive and not know it but she's kind of like breaking down his shell there are moments in there but he's putting any sort of like part of the plot,
like the wind with the Joker's art museum is the most disappointing one because although she gives,
push back to him a little bit you know like when when she goes to comfort him yet because he got covered in water and he's melting like,
it's just dumb like why would you do that and then there's also lots of spots of the screaming Lots, we're almost at the Museum attack actually but I wanted to mention a couple other things I enjoy,
the new TV news.
As we see it in this movie mom the first off the outfit on the the first anchor woman who dies is staggering it it looks like,
it's like a jacket with shoulder pads but it looks literally looks like she's wearing a parka it is so huge and padded it is amazing,
she's not the only one Kim Basinger and Robert will yeah there's a lot of shoulder pad action in this movie it's a Talking Heads suit.

[36:33] Like he's nowhere near the outside of his clothes first anchorwoman is the most extreme of all of them but I really love the joke where they discover the Cosmetics are poisoned and they don't know exactly where the poison is,
and then for the rest of the the movie the TV anchors have no makeup on and they've been made to have blemishes and things all over their faces,
that kills me after your hair if their hair looks awful,
it doesn't need to be there because they don't even have homes anymore its just a joke and it's mainly mainly affects TV anchors Vicki Vale is doing fine.
RC Imports all of her husband,
thank you Peggy and accepted in the world to the museum so Vicky Alfred gets a call saying you should be 10 minutes late to the museum but to meet Bruce but that is that he's not meeting her there so that's a bad sign I think that this looks like a job for Batman,
and what happens is the gas The Joker The Joker attacks.
The gas the museum and then immediately the Joker in it and and an intern after everybody drops,
I think he's got a little mad but she's been given by in a little package and told put this on immediately everybody drops because of the gas and then the Joker and his people walk in which is interesting because you think there would still be gas but they have no masks it is mine.
It's fine it's time for a dance party and finally Prince shows up this is good time to talk about Prince his contribution because they play they play a song,
on boom boxes that go through and I the face all the art or sari-sari improve the art.

[38:09] Batman Joker wait I'll ask and we play a Prince song as as that goes on there's another Prince on later during the parade Prince was in quite a coup was commissioned to basically doing a Batman themed album,
and those songs would be in the movie and then dinner and then what happened was Tim Burton said I'm not really interested in that have you heard my boy Elfman he's got a really good team,
yeah well Danielle friend we can talk about that I think that I've been this is one of my favorite movie scores of all time I love the Danny Elfman score,
but it is kind of amazing that they got an entire album by Prince that a lot of people really love and it's,
it's some of it is played in the background and a couple of scenes but there's literally these two scenes where Prince comes to the fore at all.
Good and it's expressly part of the plot right right,
that's that the only use that that Tim Burton has four princes like if they're playing music in the movie will play a Prince song.
But otherwise forget it otherwise it's just going to be score,
did they pick Prince just cuz he likes purple and the Joker likes purple I think this was again just a marketing.
You know the marketing Behemoth kicking in and he was he was like the biggest thing I'm going to run some more music and they said let's let's make this energy happen,
yeah and he he played Saturday Night Live.

[39:40] During the promotion for this stuff and all I can remember is that he did party man and and and trust and he's,
performing those songs on the SNL stage with the giant Batman logo of course lying behind them because you know I don't know who is intended to be bigger at this point Prince worth.
Batman merchandising so I think that was her prince got his idea to change his name to a Giants symbol,
firstly that the Batman logo is that was taken so we couldn't do that Batman princess Batman logo hit number one on the billboard album chart it was It was a,
it was a big seller even though you can barely hear it in the movie I just wonder what a movie would be like III feel like a modern more modern movie would have gone all the way,
Westlake Prince wall-to-wall and I'm not sure where that would have been better or worse but it would have been very different from what we get with the with these two,
the two the two tracks being played trust and partying and the music I mean just that dance was the video for that was what like 4 or 5 minutes or even six minutes and it was on every hour on MTV for Life three days later marketing,
so this movie really an eye on a lot of bad songs easily the worst on my own and it's worse than all of disco Evita,
is a cover of that dance cover when I work at the movie theater we had a CD of a generic bands.

[41:10] Versions of various movie theme songs because they didn't want to pay for the full rights and some poor girl had to record it and not use any of the samples so they had to get a new actress in two the.
Home I gotta go pick eBay thank you baby that makes me feel like I wasted my time memorizing that song back in the day if you can get that back in your room cover,
you've invested in yourself everyday prayer from now on they couldn't even be bothered to play Batdance over the end credits.

[41:44] Yeah I know right I mean that it is that I do think that it's a missed opportunity there it's also just a sign of the left hand in the right hand not knowing what each other was doing that by Tim Burton well,
so I have a lot of theories about this movie that maybe I'll get to before we get to Batman Returns that but there's definitely the conflict between the studio and the marketing and the giant machine and Tim Burton who likes to make,
weird quirky three little movies there was a lot of conflict,
creatively about this movie and I think it's amazing that it turns out as well as it does given all that well I mean you had John Peters producer executive producing,
and it was kind of insane.

[42:26] You know and I'm sure Prince was his idea and I'm going here let's do this and let's do that let's do this and I know that the ending,
I was not Tim Burton's idea it wasn't in the script it was John Peters going to hate would it be awesome if they like climb to the top of the cathedral in the whole thing to place up there and why do we kill Vicki Vale in Batman really angry.
It's like okay and then he went ahead and had the thing constructed without clearing it with anybody was just like here this could be the end of the movie.
And actually they asked to bring it's like why are we climbing to the top of the thing because I don't know we'll figure it out when you get there.
And they had to redo that so that's that's kinda like the movie in a microcosm the original screen screenwriter was a guy named Sam ham and then a guy named Lawrence car and came in after it so alliteration was absolutely important.
What right right but I mean yeah thank you my understanding is the same hymn script was fairly straight.

[43:28] And you have money you have lines that survived the.
The very right and Timberlands direction that get completely turned over like a the,
The Joker Soliloquy you might join me for a week after the weird confrontation between Bruce Wayne and the Joker and Vicki and then he plays it for a lot of things like that.
There is so much.

[43:57] Dissonance in this movie between Timber and sensibilities and the screenwriter is this a serious movie or is Tim Burton taking the piss out of a super heroes in general because he's Tim Burton,
you're right it's it's it's amazing that this movie is this is successful as it is because these parts don't fit.
No no they really don't know the other parts to that the.
That will get you to because there's that the whole romantic comedy part that comes back again later that's like a totally other movie that also happens in here it's like When Harry Met Sally if he was that bad anyway,
the museum scene I like because it is this manic Joker dancing around Prince and I think that's pretty good there's some great,
dialogue in here this is this is quality Joker Antics write like this is the $1 bill I like that that's pretty good I don't know if it's hard but I like it he says,
the.
Painting of the $1 bill and then I see later he says what he wants is to have his face on the $1 bill and I like to think the Joker just thought of it because he just saw painting,
the one where they they go by the really weird painting in he's like I don't touch this one,
I kind of like it they move on and move on it's good and then and then I like it all comes together where he tells Vicki Vale,
I'm an artist I make I make art until someone dies that's what I do and it's like all right I get the joker now I see that it comes that and Jerry Hall know exactly who is he.

[45:33] He's really high-pitched ringing. Why's she wearing the mask and she's acting all weird and then yeah she doesn't make it.
But that man comes to save Becky.
Before we can get more time in the museum but I just love the museum saying I love I love I love the whole thing it's weird and funny and and.

[45:53] It's good and that leads directly into a Batmobile that we have never seen him cry before he the one know which is,
it if I had to say there's one perfect shot in Batman it is probably,
my favorite childhood movie is when he comes through the Skylight in the museum and the whole cake is like fully now,
likely to see the whole cave coming down I love that that's great and then the whole thing where he just sort of work I think worthlessly,
you know it just stands there and fires off his various lot a lot of gadgets and this one got ropes and then slides away and out the door heading to get to the Batman yeah we had a zip line which is this wacky again Waukee,
modular Art Deco high-tech Batmobile thing yeah we are different the Batmobile in all,
versions for a Batman for decades like immediately the comments like oh yeah I would love to do that when they had Batman the Animated Series,
no we're going to look just like this movie and if that Batmobile really until Christian Bale Batman I guess where it's a little more it's all it's it's a,
different wider cut platform thing but yeah they're cool Batmobile,
220 said what's up having cool cars have an ugly thing I mean I really like the animated version but this would be my second favorite Batmobile so I mean I like that it does not look like any other car right it is it just looks crazy.
The hidden soup something up now like the whole way and it doesn't even in the back and it almost.

[47:24] Doesn't look like a car right like I look more like like a weird show or something that a cop between the Chrysler Building in an SR-71,
but it doesn't look quite so good it looks great when it's still.

[47:43] But when they're driving around with it I think this has been the only break that it's going to be hard to turn that thing.

[47:54] The chase that they go through there there is one intersection that it goes through that I am not kidding you.
Is the most fake-looking set all I have ever seen in a movie where they're driving through and it's like that is not a street,
that is not available in public that is that is that like at the back of this Capital out of this movie I didn't like some of the streets and the parade to it the same way again,
it is just super thick and like the minimal effort was made here the art direction for Gotham is great.
But like they have but two intersections right like they just get it yet and they use them over and over again right Light Brigade and the press conferences and like you know.

[48:41] The outside of City Hall and the outside of it like that movie theater Lakeland.
You can get away with that sort of thing on Star Trek cause of all core doors look the same right but this,
the soundstage is so distinctive not all your car doors complete Crime Alley doesn't Morse Museum without distracting everybody with that crackpot Theory.
If people would like to Hear My Cry three email me if you want some more in El Monte or you could tweet at Mangia Mangia and Ashley,
and ask him for a crackpot Theory so they get they get in an alley they get caught in an alley.
Batman decides to flee with Vicky up by by firing his so that whatever-it-is rope.

[49:28] Thing up and ask her how much she weighs so that there's a white joke that is made which I rolled my eyes at specially you already that zip line with her like you know I'm not your first rodeo,
you're making fat jokes about Kim Basinger really high now right,
this is not the most feminist movie that you don't say like 200 pounds is the most famous Batman movie,
what lipstick did I would say could be worse but it's not great,
could be worse but the way you could stay until you know like I said they're with their moments with evil and I'm like alright that's good but then there are the things that are that are not.
I want to talk about I want to talk with the fights in the alley because they're a whole bunch of Joker henchman who come to fight Batman in the alley and they're like there's like a fighter guy and then there's like,
Amanda and Tony to answer your question in the in the late eighties in Gotham City did we have a lot of ninjas in the X answer is oh God yes yes there were so many ninjas and there are some here some of the henchmen,
turned out to be ninjas everything I know about New York City is warm from the Ninja Turtles movie,
Anna Michael Palin and up Warriors so I see I have no problems with it was that you're missing Rumble in the Bronx which is a key component of it it has the whole Alpine part of New York City.

[50:59] And here we see one of the biggest limitations of this movie that I never noticed back in 1989 but in the days of the Marvel Cinematic Universe I'm totally seeing which is your hero cannot move.
The at the zoo it's so damn big these these fight scenes probably look great when we had nothing to compare them to but.
They're not moving or not moving what are the bad guys bad guys moving in Batman like Peter steps out of the way or just punch them,
did the battle he can when he gets shot several times and I guess he's just tough enough that they bounce off and I mean.
I told her I am not approaching this movie with the level of the cell to the rest the teen years and yet all these action sequences fall prettier than,
there's a scene where you can tell what they rode up was Batman beats up all the Thugs and in the background the Joker dances with Vicki Vale in it looks great.
And it takes him a long time to beat up those thugs is he can't even get in his way,
did the usual thing and they went at him one or two at a time with my card if there's no sorting through everything to support them just fall through the floor without touching him,
Batman as I could so I mean for me there's there's three pillars of Batman right tell me more all right,
this is good to go to church Batman the stuff going on here this good 1503 pillars of Batman you didn't stop me so here I go gadgets detective work,
and you don't ninja skills.

[52:31] This movie relies pretty heavily on one pillars Batman I would prefer to see a little bit more of an even distribution across the three pillars is what I'm saying so,
are you saying you want a more holistic that I want it yeah I want a more complete Batman if you are looking to pick up think how can you be a more complete Batman,
I might be actually if you forwarded that to me,
the suit this I think the suit looks great.
But he didn't know but it looks great when he's not moving which is most of the time right 560 Amberton the thought anything else didn't look for it and get up and see you.
Looking threatening is not the the key thing with Batman he's got to be able to move but one thing you think of when you think of bats is.
Immobility I do really like the scene that comes up here when they're getting back to the Batcave in the Batmobile and Kim Basinger starts to look at him and his face and all that and turns on the light,
yes and it's trying to her face that she can't see and she going to raise their hand and the end the the score comes up and they blast through the snow through the the down that Country Road and into the hidden,
entryway to the Batcave I love that whole thing that's like super mystery Batman he's not going to let you look at it it is,
mouth and Chin to figure out who is it a lady's got to stop people from doing that if he takes a passenger.

[54:06] In the back if he keeps turning his head to keep himself shadowed so she can see him as a superhero actually worried about whether or not people can see his face yes.
As opposed to be as opposed to Batman Returns.

[54:19] Which way do in a minute or any of your movies Spider-Man these days Batman media the drop of a hat.
So a romantic comedy starts suddenly there's a there's a whole plot where Bruce is trying to tell her that,
the heat Batman he's going to admit it he's going to let let let that loose except he can't do it and and,
she says he's a jerk,
and then and then it says to shut up and he pushes her down with his I'm like yeah that's actually not cool but OK it's the eighties it's a romantic comedy out right and then he said he struggled to get things out and she thinks he's married,
but he's trying to admit it in fact would probably have said I Batman,
at some point if the Joker doesn't knock on the door and then our romantic comedy becomes a sort of weird romantic comedy crime tension thing as a source I will see later it says that this was.
Kind of an impact as improv moment in the movie and it just doesn't fit at this point Robert will have been off the screen for a good 30 40 minutes and he's not coming back,
yeah he said it was a very good 30 different just a different movie in this in this part there's been some nice bits in here that Bruce Wayne when he comes in he says that he comments on her on her part right nice apartment,
right mighty nice place lots of space and then so when the Joker comes in he says nice place lots of space like the same things that was that was kind of funny but you know Bruce Wayne provokes The Joker come on let's get nuts.

[56:03] I don't really understand why he does that it seems,
weird his the plan is for him to be shot where right where he has the little metal tray so that he doesn't die,
I don't know if it is a little coincidental yet and I don't understand why this is the way it is because because if anyone,
who is the Joker's going to shoot anyone anywhere why would he aim for the heart he would do like various parts of the body to Twitch and you know yet he would meet you and make you hurt until you're done Batman.

[56:34] It's Chinatown Jake my only explanation and it's not a good one is,
the idea that that Bruce Wayne is trying to be chivalrous and buy time to figure this out now and it is keeping tension on himself and not thinking less likely that she's going to get her that,
like I said that's still weak as water and it's a really strange thing and it's because they need the Joker to shoot Bruce there,
so that he can say the dance with the devil live,
which he always has been he kills people except all those other times when he doesn't say who kill people I kill people,
so you know I always tell you always be prepared,
okay so he's not the most consistent guy in the world I'm just grumbling about that place he says that though Michael Keaton does react that is kind of a bummer,
The Joker is a brilliant plan let's talk about his latest brilliant plan which is he's going to have a parade where he's going to drop 20 million in cash on the crowd,
for the party that's the day for everything party or whatever and it's so it's weird because there's no yeah,
yes first off first of its kind of unclear about what's going on and and the beginning again I'm going to point out at the beginning of that scene when the prey get started there's like 7 people there for the Citywide. With 20 million in cash 7 people no cops,
the same intersection that we've seen several times before and a very small like Tulane Street.

[58:08] Yeah these huge budgets we're not spend on Extras many people,
on television there's more Prince,
in the end the parade as we get a little bit like that and I actually was reminded in the first of Sam raimi's Spider-Man movie they have the hooray for everything Festival where the Green Goblin attacks people and there's balloons and stuff and this is,
it is very much the same scene as this except of course that actually it's like in Times Square and has lots of people we know computer generated people but lots of people and I was I was reminded of that while watching this and this is the low-budget version where they have one block and,
Dino 20 extra I wondered how much they spent on the sequence where Batman is angry and he drives his car to the chemical plant and blows everything up.
Because I felt expensive animals the Batmobile and drop some bombs blows effects of chemicals in and drives off like,
yeah take that chemical plant into the movie did not have enough explosion so they think nobody was in there.

[59:21] The robber will make his triumphant reappearance here Monty he's fat he's totally doing what a reporter at an event would do which is he tells the photographer.

[59:34] Take pictures.
Status funny good good trip take some pictures and then he writes a headline out loud as he's taking pictures Gotham's greed this is not a journalism works is not what a reporter does but at least Robert wuhl is back,
he knows the idea of Journalism but there's one point a little earlier where he yells copy and comes completely unprepared for the kids right next to him to say yes sir,
have any copy for that I haven't written a word anyway there's a bit there's a bad place you got here.
I like the Batmobile but we need to sell to toys how can you help me out what if what if we have a bad plane that looks like a Batman logo and he flies in front of the Moon thereby creating the Batman logo,
okay that sounds great however I've only got about,
box for the budget so you can never have that appear next to any actual actors because we're going to meet maybe like have you make a model of it is that okay what we're going to do is run to make a bat plane model that's going to fly around and then we're going to have a thing that we put on like a golf cart,
we dragged Along on one street and end it will have his the Bat Plane will just,
get shot by a gun man and crash it again and I will give you the bad parent Lee the original script called for the Joker to have a tank to shoot the Bat Plane down and the budgetary reasons his tank is replaced with,
I got a gun that is most Tim Burton in the movie Tammy,
which is when the plane grabs all the balloons and flies away at those balloons.

[1:01:06] Positive are based on the same sketches that led to Nightmare Before Christmas those Blues are the same toys that are under trees,
those more than anything else the movie say hi I'm Tim Burton I like stuff that looks like this.
I do like that scene where Batman got his like a little car or whatever on the bed playing that can grab the balloons and end it leads to the Joker getting very upset he took my balloons at 11:30 to tell me he had that,
what's up what's up what's good.
04 Bob I like the idea that the balloons themselves are full of poison gas and will be released on the unsuspecting public that kind of fun you can think about that when you're watching the Thanksgiving parade.

[1:01:49] Next year That's a classic Joker Style plot right oh yeah why is it that they get bigger as the gas is released,
I'm just confused about that point it's physics and everything with distance in that entire sequence does not make any sense like the size of the balloons or whatever size they need to be the proximity of the blooms to the Joker whatever they need to be it's it's.
Don't worry about it.
Everything's great we get Action Hero Robert will because he mastered selfie pics of a baseball bat and what is he doing you don't know that they could later,
Knox man it's the journalist in the Batman that'll be what it's called you know,
he could just as easily be in the suit to do we really know this this scene ends with a climax where they all run up into a tower and fight,
because there's always a tower at all follows you out you're right exactly right shin and there's to be an hour and here it is and a giant bell falls down and knocks out the stairs so that no one can change them up,
except also conveniently at the top of the tower there's like 10 Joker Goons that doesn't make any sense haha,
yeah I don't know where those came from don't worry about it there then again it's it's a variety of Good Intentions and there's Ninjago this is not feeling good,
diversification different kinds of guns and that allows the Joker to dance and make jokes while Batman has to fight.

[1:03:20] Various spoons,
this is this is not one of my favorite parts of the movie did not look like he preferred three we have to have a boss fight at the end of the movie thing and that's what it is you know knowing that now,
it kind of shows through in the direction of Tim Burton didn't want to do that now for the end of the probably always have with Batman vs. the Joker which is.
Batman is strong and the Joker isn't so if that man punches Joker even once.
That's kind of the end of the game that once you get out of Joker you've got someone once you can get that to him.
We will and we'll see this again in Batman Returns but in the comics you know Jokers got this wire and steel strings and Batman happens did not be wearing the armor so it's a bit of a fairer fight.
We have just completely missed actually the the issue that too.

[1:04:16] Batman secret origin.

[1:04:19] Which they're about to have out here on top of this bill now so yeah they do we get to Dance with the Devil in the pale Moonlight and all that and it's revealed that like I said earlier that the Joker when he was young Jack Napier,
what's the one who shot Bruce Wayne's parents,
and there's that moment of like you you know you created me and you created me and when they put the Joker The Joker makes fun of that immediately I'm sure you got to say that I saw you at you crazy you got to say that I created you,
but you don't even listen to him so how do people feel about this in the context the movie I don't I don't like it in the context of Batman but maybe it works I don't mind it here,
as a single movie.

[1:05:00] Find the dark mirrors of each other or they give him a little extra that that's fine I don't mind it the writers trying to add some depth in there somewhere where was Burton's idea,
okay I like the idea that we get Batman's origin in passing and to make it to make it relevant in some way I think you could have probably made it relevant where he was killed by somebody like.
Jack Napier and not have it literally be him and still have a connection there because that's an awful lot of coincidence but it's fine and you know and that sometimes this is handled in different ways I mean I've used the person who is usually identified as the Killer is this character called Joe Chill.
And even that some people did not like because they like the idea more than like.
The email that we will he will never know right and that he and Riley will go out every night and fight crime and never happened he's never going to be able to.
100% of his parents because.
It's on Facebook so it is the president and you know he has to fight all crime to to confront that as opposed to like nope it's a guy he's got a name and a face and maybe I can get him even some days and therefore I believe there's at least one story where that happens so.
Didn't make it even be the Joker haha yeah not a fan,
that's it that's the point actually that the Glen and here's where I said the previous Warsaw Glen Weldon from pop culture happy hour photo really really good but I really love it called the Great the Caped Crusade,
and his argument is that by doing this by making the Joker the guy who killed Batman's parents.

[1:06:32] You've turned this from a hero story into her revenge salary,
candy and assholes Batman goes I don't like it but as far as a self-contained movie where spoiler alert The Joker dies at the end.
It kind of makes sense to sort of wrap it all up in the one story about my headcanon.
Is that was that mean it probably still is that it's not.
Really The Joker or Jack Napier or whoever you want to call him at that point it's that that's what Batman is.

[1:07:11] Imagining now and then every night he goes out he sees someone different doing.
And that's part of his part of this little Quirk about that is his psychosis about that so you know to me it doesn't have to be,
the Joker in this but it makes sense that he would picture him,
this time so that I need this is basically the end of the movie babe babe they fight they go for one last press conference that's right there's a cliffhanger then they reverse and then the Joker drops and dies end.
And there's a press conference and Commissioner Gordon explains that they've been given a bat signal and we paid up through the City CA Vigilantes who gave us the signal,
we needed one because we didn't have any spotlights so nobody turned it on though because they must be rich.

[1:08:04] Could it be an accident so that's a Batman III,
I was I saw this movie a lot in the I guess early nineties and,
I was a little worried to revisit it cuz I haven't Revisited in quite a while and you know I enjoyed watching it it's got lots of issues,
but I like the way it looks and I like Michael Keaton & Ally,
Jack Nicholson's totally while performance and let you know I enjoyed watching it even though it's definitely a few know of its time,
what did everybody else think about this one I continue to enjoy it,
yep. As much as I did the first time I saw it we had a lot more superhero movies since then right I mean that's part of it is is that this would the novelty of a movie of a like a big-budget movie with real actors about Batman,
it was kind of a big me not just a marketing partner was a big deal to have this much talent make,
and money assembled to make a superhero movie and now of course we get 8 or 10 of these a year but comparing it to Modern superhero movies.
Everyone now wants everybody to make sense the truck like a specially DC movies we try to have motivations for all the characters.
But I'm at Batman Tim Burton is willing to say alright Jack Nicholson remembers Cesar Romero.

[1:09:31] The bullet go when my brother made me watch Batman Begins and we're talking about,
you haven't seen Batman Begins yet oh my God you have to see Batman Begins I'm watching Batman Begins,
and I've got this movie competing with it in the back of my head and I wind up at 5:20,
disliking Batman Begins because it was too much of an effort to make Batman realistic and yes,
and when you when you when you get to the point where Bruce Wayne puts on bad years.

[1:10:10] It's got to be a whole lot weirder otherwise I'm sitting here going why is he putting on bad years I love this I love the 1989 Batman because it is just weird enough.
To make me forgive a whole lot of stuff that doesn't make sense,
I think I'm mostly holds up I'll just let you know taking into account that yes it this is Tim Burton and and Tim Burton has a unique Vision but it holds up for me overall I have quibbles aplenty here and there,
but I can still sit down and watch it again and enjoy most of it again and it is a fusion of,
a little bit of the Adam west-style a little bit of the Frank Miller a little bit of Danny O'Neil you know a little bit in the Aladdin's I love that it,
spawn the to Davis the Animated Series witches.
My favorite Batman of all and end for me I mean Batman Begins I really liked it when I saw it in the theater and.
Very I didn't want it for a while and then the Dark Knight came out and well I should we watch Batman Begins and I didn't like it as much.

[1:11:21] And I still have not gotten all the way through Dark Knight Rises because it is just so oppressively drawn and get up,
and so in retrospect I like Nolan movies less and less as they went on and I still really enjoy this,
I don't need the plot to make total sense I just left should I do while I'm watching not going to actually it is very straightforward in a way that so many of these movies have multiple Villains The Joker is bad and he's crazy and he wants to cause trouble for Batman,
and he is interested in Vicki Vale and making him his next art project and he wants to,
the kill people in Gotham City like I mean that he doesn't have a grand set imaginations that are going to lead to an outcome he he is just a comic book villain who's trying to do bad stuff and Batman stops him that you know it's refreshing in that way but that's kind of all there is to this movie,
it's did that it's like there's Batman there's the Joker they interact and Debbie and the Joker plunges off of a building and is dead and that's it Tony,
your verdict on Batman it's fine.
Pizza Time the people who made this should not be hunted down and killed her sort of anyway I like the version of the Joker.
I think I'm less impressed with this version of Batman than than the rest of you to me he's a little blah.

[1:12:53] The action sequences have not aged really well but maybe they were more exciting at the time.
I do like weirdo weirdo Bruce Wayne III. Remember that and that was that was kind of treat to discover that.

[1:13:07] But inside I feel like I mean this is this is not necessarily a problem with this movie so much as a lot of Batman in general is.
I sometimes Batman is not very exciting and it's his villains that are interesting fun and I get the sense that maybe Tim Burton does not care that much about Batman.
Oh and this movie is kind of old a lot more about the Joker and then we'll talk about Batman Returns shortly Batman it can be boring and I think he's especially boring when he's just kind of by himself.
And that's why I think a lot of stories he gets paired with other people and that can be fun whether that's Robin or Commissioner Gordon and we get a little bit of that here with Vicki Vale.
But not a lot and so Batman can in this particular film comes across as kind of boring a lot and I think that's a little unfortunate Gordon is a non-entity in this to which is too bad yeah I mean he's there but,
what does springboard off something Tony said because can't dangerous coming out of this movie absolutely everyone talked about,
how much fun Jack Nicholson was and nobody talked about Michael Keaton and everyone said oh I get it,
the villains are the interesting part of the building that the colour and the excitement to the story and I think that led directly to what happens in Batman Returns yeah I think you're right,
let me keep it is easily my favorite thing in the movie and like I said he's still my favorite movie Batman so Batman Returns,
then happened and um are you sure to tell you how I feel about Batman Returns so that was that was 1992 three years later.

[1:14:44] So I've got a theory about Batman Returns I will I will give you my full disclosure up front I saw Batman Returns in the theater in 1992 and I hated it,
and I have not seen it since and I watched it for this podcast and let me tell you a twenty-one-year-old me has.
Excellent taste in detecting Batman Returns is a piece of crap,
and I will I will argue with those who think otherwise but here's my theory cuz I think it's I think it's garbage I think it is I think it is so terrible,
r&m single again yeah it's so terrible but here's the reason why one Tim Burton I'm not a Tim Burton fan Batman.
Is a movie that is compromised by all of the studio oversight the producer oversight the marketing message,
all of that Tim Burton has said he doesn't like Batman the movie he doesn't like it he's not have you can see it's boring I think Batman is not,
the movie The Tim Burton really wanted to make or like to make and he didn't get to make the movie he wanted and it Batman Returns after Batman was such a financial success they let Tim Burton make whatever he wanted,
and the result is a terrible movie because the only reason Batman is watchable is because they didn't let him hurt and be Tim Burton his temper and being Tim Burton is a recipe for a bad movie not a bad movie but not a good comic book movie I chatted with Glen Weldon book release party and I told him that I was,
got I got I really loved the book although I thought he was too unkind to the.

[1:16:14] Tim Burton movies and he said that is an opinion that some people have for the 1st so I was thinking about Batman Returns as I remembered it,
I watched it for the first time just before we started recording and.

[1:16:31] IO Glen Weldon an apology so I know this movie is not good my problem is I want to I want to defend Tim Burton,
I don't want to defend this movie which is garbage well I'll put it this way I can see how reasonable people would like some of Tim Burton's movies,
I don't they don't work for me and I after I did hear talking in our slack earlier about how I feel about Tim Burton's movies like sad how some people feel about Wes Anderson's movies which is they feel exactly the same to me whatever the sensibility is that he's trying to get across it obviously really works for him and people who like his movies don't work for me I like I just it it's all just noise to me if I find it all,
unpleasant,
the engine with some exceptions like Ed Wood made Pee-wee's Big Adventure is a good example right but a lot of the movies he makes I don't really love Batman Returns so I feel like it is everything I don't like about a Tim Burton movie like multiplied,
and it concentrate as well let me put it this way I am tuned into Tim Burton to the point where.
I kind of enjoyed the Dark Shadows movie it was not as annoying as I thought it was going to be that man returns I can't stand I don't think there's.
I don't think he gets any of the cooking is that it's just the surface level C.

[1:17:45] Oh no it's all good I got it's too much work I want to list a couple more my fairies here which is which is I do think that this is one of those movies that really lets us down the path of hey what if we had more villains and superhero movies,
it's a terrible idea I don't know if it's,
never been done well where they had it's like multiple super villains in a superhero movie and had it work out to improve the movie and I don't think it does,
here either so I think that's part of the problem is fundamentally and this came up earlier,
Tim Horton totally doesn't think Batman is interesting and for the largest part of Batman Returns Batman is not even around it is really the story of the Penguin and Catwoman and Batman is like the doofus who shows up in.

[1:18:27] Pugs them sometimes I've got that was one of the things that drove me nuts this time but I remember watching this I don't think I saw it in the theater but I think I saw it on a cable channel or,
ndhs afterwards at some point and it irritated me at the time thinking like you know.
They really could have done better a better job with Catwoman this was before I really knew Selina Kyle Catwoman origins in in the comics I hadn't seen the Animated Series yet and.
The origin story neither of these origin stories make any sense she falls out of the window,
and it falls to her death except she hits a few outings on the way down but then cats swarm her and yes and she said you might explain to you how magic works.
I'm just saying I wasn't aware that that that is what my doctor strange movie woman is like a cat,
spirit totem person or something but that's what this movie went to sleep also that Penguins raised a baby,
yes well there to be fair to be fair I think there's the implication that he was also raised by the circus it just wasn't meant to be right out there who will speak for this week,
The Haunting had a picture of a cat on it and they were just talking about that before she felt that she got possessed by an awning spirit is that what you're telling me she know that would have been on any woman but what happens if.

[1:19:57] If you say I'm not a cat and then you fall through an awning with a picture of a cat and then cats come around you you,
are forced to start talking all sorts of cat medication for the whole at one point try to watch yourself by licking your hands animal,
animal themed right I mean that's what is Penguin and Catwoman so they're going to have lots of animals and end at one point there's like that I'm not a human being I'm an animal is something that to Danny DeVito as the Penguin and Michelle who is it,
no I'm blaming it on your shelf life as Cadillac is Selina Kyle,
Christopher Walken is Max Schreck named after the star of Nosferatu he dresses like Scrooge in A Christmas Carol which is just how about that makeup I like when they need to do some he said he's in a meeting so you know he's probably not so great and,
he's wearing gloves inside so you know he's really evil yeah he's also.
Very clearly modeled after Donald Trump I am not kidding he isn't very clearly modeled after Donald Trump and his last line is you're fired.
This movie was actually a little uncomfortable to watch after the election I'll tell you living in the New York area at the time that with everybody was like wow he's like Donald Trump he was the only good thing in the movie,
well I was going to say that for me the only three good things in the movie Christopher Walken yes.

[1:21:22] The fact that Michael Keaton finally gets top billing in a Batman Pho que Huong,
buddy up north most lines in L and End the Fed,
the words to the music in this we're really easy to memorize I like the I like the part where all the penguins are on the March I watch that twice that was my favorite part of it,
yeah we the penguins have the penguins have targeting radicals dropping over their eyes they have targeting Monical's why do the penguins have a remote.

[1:21:54] Sorry to bother you carry his corpse to the water at the end of the day there's a very nice,
penguin ceremony they have levitating magic is this your first penguin funeral,
Care Bears it's this this movie so so yeah that the absence of Batman he just disappears for a large portion of the movie The Penguin stuff I found that interesting Christopher Walken is he is the best thing in the movie,
I like I like him it's a bizarre performance but I really enjoy it will it work now,
yeah yeah and I think that's probably a problem that the the the that's orthogonal to the whole mood right notion of Batman to follow him and see what he's up to next and the answer is he gets killed by,
the cat by Catwoman at the end I feel like that yeah I thought about that he's like the rubber Bowl,
if he ever heard Robert Nolan Christopher Walken compared to.

[1:22:56] Meredith was just going to say that you do not want to mess with,
the drives me nuts of the the way they had some for me one of the strengths in the movie was,
post transformation Catwoman Pfeiffer,
and it was really entertaining that they even had to transform her in the first place that me and Selina Kyle in the comics is it a rich lady who decides to you know start stealing jewelry or whatever,
but no they're going to have to transform Michelle Pfeiffer try to make her a Frump,
so that they can turn into a woman scorned. There were so many good points,
hidden inside the Catwoman story that the idea,
of her try to become her own vigilante cuz it first she's you know that you have first thing she does is rescue a woman although she's very upset that the woman let herself get caught in the first place and then she turns to destruction of going after Shrek.
It did it turns into this weird unresolved sexual tension between her and between Catwoman and Batman that just comes out of nowhere and.
Makes no sense their moves are totally weird so weird it emphasizes the other thing I hate about this movie which is how dumb Batman is for the first two-thirds of the movie he shows up he's,
the world's greatest detective skills I wrote down at one point.

[1:24:30] The world's greatest detective with a bunch of question marks and then like 3 lines down in my notes it says now the world's greatest detective this bunch of clowns,
I will I will I will also check in with my wiser friends hear about what I was like when this movie came out,
oh I was still a child and I recall it being weird that this movie was still like a vehicle for shoveling action figures at kids.
Even though it was so much more violent and had like the sexual themes to it that there be no even people that don't know what to do with that weird I mean I remember seeing like.

[1:25:09] Kids dressed up as Catwoman for Halloween like young children and being like this is weird this is Harley Quinn this this year lots of people went to see it lots of people.
I mean probably went back for second feelings but when you've got Paul Bearer penguins,
you don't know what to do with pall-bearer Pingu I'm okay with that part no one knew what to do I have very bad memories and I don't know why I remember this.
Joan Rivers when she had her TV show and she has this gossip column this depressed over somebody who was on the celebrity circuit talking about,
like one of the one of the pre-release parties or something for it for the movie and she showing Joan Rivers this,
paperweight that's designed so that was one of the things was it was Christmas time it was snow snow everywhere so there was this glass paperweight with the Batman logo inside it and if you tilt it the snow would move across it,
and here's Joan Rivers play looking with the same playing with it going what the hell is this that felt like.
The general reactions after once the movie was out it's like what the hell is this the buzz words with their penguin Catwoman Batman's back and.
Really well they didn't bother with anything,
the guy was worthwhile I mean I remember at the time thinking you know remembering back,
three years to all the marketing push and everywhere you saw the logo and everything was bright and bold and fun and get just the logo itself was ghetto.

[1:26:40] Black and gold in and just jumped out at you and this did not have any of that it didn't have a song you know again whatever we think of the songs at all,
it didn't have a son playing every hour and MTV hit didn't have anything bouncy and fun to it the only thing you ever saw was dark and snow and ice and then there three phases and they look so serious also a Christmas movie,
it's set at Christmas time and it was released in June so perfect timing one of the one of the pieces that was.
Taken out of the first Batman movie was yours be heavily produced was the notion of the Batman and Joker being.

[1:27:22] Parker's different sides of the same coin there is that had newspaper headline in an early script that was taken out where,
the headline is war of the Freaks and they seemed to ReDiscover that idea for this movie because they,
put so much effort into turning a penguin.
Catwoman into freaks and also playing with the idea of Batman as a feeling and,
Tim Burton seems to be so fascinated with that that he forgets to make a superhero movie.
Three just to have Batman he's not interested in Batman heat tempered and very clearly is bordered by Batman and so this is a movie about the about.
Catwoman and penguin really and there's a little bit of satire about him running for mayor and there's that and there's Max Schreck trying to manipulate things and all of that,
but Batman doesn't get a lot of time Bruce Wayne gets a little time sort of like in his,
again there's this other thread which is his attraction to Selina Kyle and Batman the traction to Catwoman and that's,
feels like something out of the comics a little bit and when we get to the very love that yeah yeah I did I think that's one of my favorite strong Parts the.

[1:28:36] Let these two really good actors give them this really Tangled issue let them go but Michelle Pfeiffer after she after she gets dumped out of the window and when she's not in the cat suit is.
Bethany,
except in that scene where she's saying that the scene where she comes back to her apartment just say yes and then shows her thing I hate that scene a library,
when she pulls it together the reason I don't think this was all of Tim Burton's idea if he would rather have the freaks be the heroes instead of the villain for sure.

[1:29:11] You would rather do Edward Scissorhands then have the guy whose son died by Society the,
actually ugly and horrible like Danny DeVito I mean Danny DeVito's character he's making to go with like what what can I do with the Batman movie to give to give up what I want it's like to have these to have these characters,
like this I'm a little surprised that woman ends up end up killing,
Max at the end because it seems kind of unnecessary she made a kiss over a taser too it's really stupid if he did kill her for sure but I feel like that would be an interesting moment of life,
AC battery she could like maybe maybe maybe she's more complicated than that because that character is kind of like that she's a little bit of both and the Penguin this is more irredeemable but,
you know that again you know that there in the end it is about them just sort of like having their moment on the stage and then sort of a perfunctory I guess Batman needs to clean this up at the end because it's that kind of movie,
yeah I do like that little clever bit at the beginning of the movie,
before she takes her tumble windshield when Selena was mugged and she's so amazing all this other stuff and Batman saves her and the days are still lying there and then she just get this glint in her eye and she,
paises the unconscious thought.
And that's all I do like that little bit because that's that's why I suggested that she has she is kind of broken inside and got a lot of repressed anger and stuff like that but I think that the Catwoman thread for me.

[1:30:46] The Selina Kyle Catwoman thing for me feels like the weather it's the script or whether it's Burton I don't know,
but it feels like this first week shaky step towards women having agency because he knows she's,
one of the reasons I think she's she's going to kill Shrek at the end is because you know this is a step she can take to finally get her for revenge on him that one line just killed me,
oh I would love to have you know go live in your castle and be your fairy princess I would love that but I would hate myself.

[1:31:21] Yeah because she sees even that it is is giving it away and there's there's a really good idea.
Buried in there that we only get glimpses of my note says despite the dick jokes that happened in the,
I think I'm fighting the Bruce Selina relationship is the best thing in the movie like other the other than other than yes I can doing walking because that's weird and quirky and it's like she's got a secret identity he's going to secretly they're both really messed up,
MC meet when she walks into the office,
the walking is convinced that he he killed her the night before and she just walks and he's like what's going on and then that's also when Bruce Wayne is there and they need it so that's kind of electric if all of that is it is pretty cool because that's that's a weird I mean,
I mean there's your Tim Burton movie right it's like these freaks as are the heroes like Bruce and Selina are kind of freaks but they are also kind of the leads and the heroes here at end.
Did that stuff kind of works in some of the Batman Catwoman stuff works too but that's you know again then then a monkey deliver is a note of regret from Batman movie.

[1:32:38] All depressed lonely press I remember about,
Batman Returns was talking about Sean Young trying to be kept it real with her about her like sneaking onto the set.

[1:32:51] In the cat in a costume she made herself and sneaking into Tim Burton's office but she was supposed to be the original Vicki Vale and she got hurt and they had to recast a singer.
So apparently she really really wanted to be in a movie.
Meet me a couple at the time because they were really casting her as crazy Sean Young who was so desperate for work she show up on talk shows and beg for it,
yeah this movie has some interesting things,
to try to say about misogyny and yet it does it is almost performs a massage any more than it comments on it means.

[1:33:29] All Batmans plans with penguin is awful Max Schreck is awful and.
Catwoman is sort of this perfect victim kind of character and it's almost like they did it so,
there were bits of this in the first Batman movie with Jack Nicholson's character you know I didn't you look good Jack I didn't ask and all this other stuff but they amp it up,
in this movie as though they're trying to make a point about it and I'm not I don't think they succeeded,
Michael Keaton's last scene about the Good Will toward men and women just doesn't I think the last person to pass on the screenplay just put it in a million stupid quit.

[1:34:18] Yeah like towards the last half the movie it's full of things like I haven't been fed all day.

[1:34:23] 8 floor area at the office I don't think it'll pass on it but the main credited screenwriter,
head to his previous film was Hudson Hawk which is a much better feeling much better it's much better than this,
it's so much fun when they going to mention about this and then I'm pretty much done with the things for me to say about this move because I don't like it,
okay but Jason you haven't even done the plot outline that's not going to happen I am amused by the scene where.

[1:35:05] Doing the penguin is trying to give a speech again another press conference scene Tony,
your welcome I Batman and Alfred using a CD as he makes me laugh because they turn the tables on him in the end he does a little bit of a scratching there and then later in the movie Alfred is like a,
a freaker with frequency jamming power is who turns,
the Penguins around in Sligo Alfred and it's ridiculous and awful and it doesn't fit but it's also funny and the culmination of that.

[1:35:38] Batman shows up and he's got his Bat remote that controls the Penguins and the Penguins gets the remote from him.
And then press the button which blows everything up and it's like I don't I don't.
Why is I think that was the big thing and that whoever pressed the button it's going to blow up that that thing and then and so Batman just tricking the penguin into taking Jason,
yourseason tech journalist the buttons work yep that's how it works it's a red button Tony red button that means things explode your precious come on okay,
1604 buttons I would like to briefly call out three things in the movie that I have a comment about if that's okay.

[1:36:23] One-eyed like the way the video says,
no just give you a splitting headache and the way Christopher Walken sounds kind of like he's apologizing when he says it's not working,
that was a weird thing that I enjoyed a weird thing I did not enjoy is when.
Catwoman is skipping rope with her bullwhip which feel like somebody that would look cool and then it didn't and finally.
Batman totally straps of dynamite to a henchman and blow them up right we don't we don't see that he's not we talked about him not killing people he killed his father and I hear Batman of these two movies is a,
cold blooded murderer straight from Detective Comics 27 days you have to admit it.
He's he's just Band-Aid over that was fun,
I have a very important question here please wear.
The hell do the red triangle circus gang get the plans for the Batmobile I'm just asking for you to the DMV,
it's a bad idea I'm here I can head can it it's a good weekend for that.
There is a scene where they go to the Department of Records like this they go to the Penguins an extended period of time in the Gotham Department of Records which is a very fancy sign for a Department of Records.

[1:37:54] Oh and probably,
Bruce Wayne is an upstanding citizen and is put the files for the blueprints of the Batmobile and enter them into the public record as you do would you try to maintain a secret identity,
LMFAO tell me how do you think it's true people feel the worst scene in this movie,
is when the penguin goes up to his upstairs of his campaign headquarters and he didn't and Catwoman are there,
and she said it is for me the worst I don't know if that is for you even not even counting the part which,
where to eat almost eat the bird I am 46 years old and I am still too young to see,
the Penguin and Catwoman on that bed the dialogue makes me deeply uncomfortable and again,
this is something that was used to sell action figures to children say I don't know in like protest protest grotesques tell me that that is not the same that includes the line that's just the pussy I was looking for.
Yes it was I thought so yeah that's not where you put the moves on her and she refuses and he tries to make her fly into the sky on a on a like a parasol helicopter thing also not a good scene.

[1:39:10] Nope nope nope.
I bet you there's a mother not a good thing either of you Jason Jason Jason I know your movies almost done and you have a Batmobile and I even saw you made a new face and that it splits into pieces that's great will sell a new toy,
one more new toy out of this movie so we can for the kids and for my bank account.
How about it but just put it in the back but yeah okay it's alright I'm good.
Alright how about this penguin that you can shoot a missile off of its back.
I had the action figure of that as a kid I did to him I wasn't a kid but I had I had that as we came in a pack with two penguins one of the Penguins is holding his slippers out in a way that I don't know if that's really do the other penguin it's just standing there.
They're not really excited.
Pictures I like seeing that 40 seconds of Paul Reubens those nice Yeah Yeah Yeahs the penguin penguin parents Paul Reubens as the Penguins dad.

[1:40:08] In the end that seems like people playing with their big adventure the mom and the dad.

[1:40:17] Propose in Pee-wee's Big is a little side note penguin in the graveyard.
Kneeling before his parents grave bumping into the wobbly styrofoam grave next to him.
Just just so you know Dad you don't have to deal with a lot of products with her costume I was their number one son and they treated me like number 2,
seeing somebody got a time somebody got paid to write that line I don't think they should have brought up Vicki Vale in the snow.

[1:40:52] The weekend she didn't exist then I won't be so they're going what happened to Ryan said it's really sad it's like hey yeah I remember that we were starting a good relationship there now if she couldn't take me being Batman take that really cuz I thought you talked that threw in the previous movie,
that that that may become a man.

[1:41:10] But really it's low on my list of grievances so sitting down watching it tonight after not having seen it for so long and it's like right away it was just like.
Everything was dialed 215 not just eleven but 15 Gotham City was Grimmer and uglier,
all of the grotesquerie of whether it's the villains whatever it just everything was just pushed up into this level that had me cringing for most of this movie.
It's a good news the next Batman movie is much more colorful.
I don't understand I don't understand why this movie why I liked it so much and my memory.

[1:41:58] Iyhl and Michael.

[1:42:06] The the thing I love about the the original Batman movie is that it is weird.
And I just assumed that Batman Returns was.
In that same vein with a cooler Batman suit and some other stuff and yeah Michelle Pfeiffer.
But yeah this is this is one of those movies that I really shouldn't have watched again I should have just convinced myself that I enjoyed it.

[1:42:35] Apologies to Glen Weldon ya ya.
Well you know Michael Keaton I'm going to say Michael Keaton deserve better.

[1:42:48] That I'd really like to hear that yeah yeah I know I like the performance and Batman and actually I like,
what little we see of him as Bruce Wayne in Batman Returns that stuff with Michelle Pfeiffer that they got kicked in the head hard enough and woken up.
I like a boardroom scene between him and Christopher Walken I like yeah that's actually keep cutting to him in the Batcave he's like.
Yes Penguin I see right parents yes and then that's in like why is he even here it's like oh yeah we should probably show him before they forget what they want and still have those movie people don't forget Batman.

[1:43:24] I'm I'm hanging out with Robert will now.
I'm just glad that Joel Schumacher was able to come in and restore dignity to the franchise,
the thesis of mr. belding's book is that that the history of that man is full of,
wild over reactions to three the future we are going to watch the tube,
who's Joel Schumacher Batman movies and then what we will what do you mean we.
But for now I wouldn't have to say that we have discharged your duties and I am sorry.
To have made everybody watch Batman Returns because Tony is this in the British flag banned from the church or Batman or just the Church of Batman recognizes the existence of Batman Returns,
do whatever you want people,
where is the Batman the Batman University curriculum Tony that's what I want so far the Batman University curriculum is mainly focus on the Batman animated series a hundred that's what that's where.
That's that's the foundation of love and respect for Batman is that it has such high approval ratings go Batman University,
so the 1989 Batman is kind of Grandfather day and there's like a predecessor of the Batman you last night I mean there are elements of this that show up in Batman the Animated Series like there is an episode of call the mechanic about the penguin.

[1:44:58] Sabotaging the Batmobile which makes way more sense to the point and this one so they do borrow things from it but yeah a baby,
the best thing about this movie are the things that get stolen for the animated series and they leave 85% of the running behind so I stripped it for parts I would rather had this movie been.
Christopher Walken as Max Schreck doing evil things that have to be counted by Bruce Wayne and Batman that would have been a way better movie.
I would rather this movie where Christopher Walken as Max Schreck in Nosferatu yeah whatever Christopher Walken,
that's why it's Christopher Walken does lots of weird stuff while Bruce Wayne and Enda Selina Kyle go out on a date,
the great burden was just like really angry that he hadn't didn't have the idea that use the circus gang in the Joker movie and so he's like I don't know it was like this movie,
no no because Robin was originally going to be okay it's a mess,
I like what I like at the end when there's going to be the big fight and they all just leave and I was like it's like conservation of bad guys because of the big fight with the joker they're all the bad guys that showed up from nowhere,
the evening out there there's their henchmen that didn't make any sense to be there in that movie,
I'll have to make sense to be here just disappear in this one I'm okay with it, but they blew it they blew two at the end of this one.

[1:46:31] I will pursue you know Edward was right after this movie I wonder if Tim Burton was thinking I need to remind myself,
it's important to love movie,
and that's that's a good movie I like that movie too I feel for Tim Burton's best although I complain about Tim Burton because I don't like him I don't really like his work but,
I will say I can't imagine that this was a particularly fulfilling film for him I'm sure it was more fulfilling than the first Batman it feels more like,
stuff that's up his alley but still I'm not sure this is the kind of.

[1:47:09] Thing that is really his bag so no the movie before this between the Batman movies with Edward Scissorhands which is pure Tim Burton,
see there you go then he went up to the paycheck and then made it right so that's a paycheck and then you go make a passion project and said hey look on the bright side you got to see the town of fish,
so that's when I saw the 5th season of Taxi I've seen that I want to say although I did not enjoy.
Danny DeVito's performance I appreciate how hard he went for it but I think it was good for him.
Yeah I was okay with it I mean I forgot that it was Danny DeVito a lot which is which says something for me too I'm going to give him a lot of credit for that.
He is disgusting and awful and violin this just got weird Prosthetics and he's actually acting and yeah yeah and it's not just like being Danny DeVito he's not here.
Bite-size knows what more do you want to see how do you say I like how long they left it yeah you said that you could be worse.

[1:48:18] At least my nose isn't gushing blood there's a long pause the guys like that was yeah.

[1:48:25] I'm going to ask him what he meant God by nose that's right I sometimes get another guy's nose.

[1:48:34] 1992 never come back.
Alright we're going to wrap it up that this ends this edition of our red chickens with Batman that are affiliated with like extension cords for Batman University I'd like to think my gas for being here and watching some Batman movies with me,
Ashley thank you for being here I'm still Batman tri-tip Southern,
I'm grateful that Halle Berry was able to restore dignity the Catwoman franchise David Lohr.
I'm going to go off and reboot the Hudson Hawk Cinematic Universe right now is on the phone already thank you,
knowing that I never have to watch Batman Returns again I feel ever so much younger and told her I think you were the king of the Wicker people.
Goodnight everybody for listening to be uncomfortable I've been your Hostess and smell but really I Batman.

[1:49:35] Music.